{"id":7017,"date":"2019-07-10T10:00:24","date_gmt":"2019-07-10T08:00:24","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/home\/lecons-indiennes\/"},"modified":"2019-12-16T13:40:13","modified_gmt":"2019-12-16T11:40:13","slug":"indian-lessons","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/home\/indian-lessons\/?lang=en","title":{"rendered":"Indian lessons"},"content":{"rendered":"<div id=\"attachment_6794\" style=\"width: 210px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.loc.gov\/pictures\/item\/2006679562\/\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-6794\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-6794\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/371px-Iron_White_Man_a_Sioux_Indian_from_Buffalo_Bills_Wild_West_Show_LCCN2006679562-232x300.jpg\" alt=\"Iron White Man, a Sioux Indian from Buffalo Bill's Wild West Show. Source : Library of Congress. \" width=\"200\" height=\"259\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/371px-Iron_White_Man_a_Sioux_Indian_from_Buffalo_Bills_Wild_West_Show_LCCN2006679562-232x300.jpg 232w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/371px-Iron_White_Man_a_Sioux_Indian_from_Buffalo_Bills_Wild_West_Show_LCCN2006679562-113x146.jpg 113w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/371px-Iron_White_Man_a_Sioux_Indian_from_Buffalo_Bills_Wild_West_Show_LCCN2006679562-39x50.jpg 39w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/371px-Iron_White_Man_a_Sioux_Indian_from_Buffalo_Bills_Wild_West_Show_LCCN2006679562-58x75.jpg 58w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/371px-Iron_White_Man_a_Sioux_Indian_from_Buffalo_Bills_Wild_West_Show_LCCN2006679562.jpg 371w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 200px) 100vw, 200px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-6794\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Iron White Man, a Sioux Indian from Buffalo Bill&#8217;s Wild West Show. Source : Library of Congress.<\/p><\/div>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/ecole-de-droit\/en\/profile\/assier-andrieu-louis.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Louis Assier-Andrieu<\/a> took his first steps in research alongside Claude L\u00e9vi-Strauss. As an anthropologist, and then historian, sociologist, and lawyer, he has long conducted field studies on the life of indigenous peoples: the Cheyenne, Inuits and Cajun in North America. His humanist observations have led him to a very particular understanding of the law. Explanations.<\/p>\n<h4>You have studied the rights of American Indians and Inuit people. What is special about them?<\/h4>\n<p>Louis Assier-Andrieu: What is special is that they don\u2019t exist \u2013 or rather that they did not exist until the West introduced them. This is not a judgment but a fact. Let me explain: to claim a right involves proving that one has this right. Imagine asking Indian tribes to prove that a given mountain, river, or plain belongs to them. This is what they were asked to do in order to legally establish fishing and hunting areas reserved for them. They therefore needed to invent something that resembled laws.<\/p>\n<h4>How did they proceed?<\/h4>\n<div id=\"attachment_6798\" style=\"width: 260px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-6798\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-6798\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Screenshot_2019-06-24-Americanindiansmapcensusbureau-gif-Image-GIF-3456-\u00d7-2568-pixels-Redimensionn\u00e9e-23-300x223.png\" alt=\"Amerian Indian Reservations. Source : United States Census Bureau, 2006\" width=\"250\" height=\"186\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Screenshot_2019-06-24-Americanindiansmapcensusbureau-gif-Image-GIF-3456-\u00d7-2568-pixels-Redimensionn\u00e9e-23-300x223.png 300w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Screenshot_2019-06-24-Americanindiansmapcensusbureau-gif-Image-GIF-3456-\u00d7-2568-pixels-Redimensionn\u00e9e-23-768x571.png 768w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Screenshot_2019-06-24-Americanindiansmapcensusbureau-gif-Image-GIF-3456-\u00d7-2568-pixels-Redimensionn\u00e9e-23-196x146.png 196w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Screenshot_2019-06-24-Americanindiansmapcensusbureau-gif-Image-GIF-3456-\u00d7-2568-pixels-Redimensionn\u00e9e-23-50x37.png 50w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Screenshot_2019-06-24-Americanindiansmapcensusbureau-gif-Image-GIF-3456-\u00d7-2568-pixels-Redimensionn\u00e9e-23-101x75.png 101w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Screenshot_2019-06-24-Americanindiansmapcensusbureau-gif-Image-GIF-3456-\u00d7-2568-pixels-Redimensionn\u00e9e-23.png 810w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 250px) 100vw, 250px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-6798\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Amerian Indian Reservations. Source : United States Census Bureau, 2006<\/p><\/div>\n<p>L.A-A. : When one of the first cases emerged in 1979, in British Columbia, the Cheyenne used a lawyer who consulted an anthropologist to determine whether the Indians had landmarks to define their territories. He wanted something factual and tangible that was rational. It was the only way of dialoging with the law, which requires limits between the self and one\u2019s property. In reality, the Indians consider their \u201cownership\u201d of this land to be granted to them from divinities, and they do not believe they should have to prove or frame it. This is legal anthropology: reconciling a society\u2019s organizational rules with the law , which is a purely Western creation that has imposed itself as a universal mechanism.<\/p>\n<h4>But how, without laws, do these societies resolve other types of conflict ?<b><br \/>\n<\/b><\/h4>\n<div id=\"attachment_6800\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><a href=\"https:\/\/vimeo.com\/33276214\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-6800\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-6800 size-medium\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Screenshot_2019-06-24-Inuit-Throat-Singing-in-Arviat-Dogteam-Puppies--300x167.png\" alt=\" Inuit Throat Singing in Arviat - Dogteam Puppies. Screenshot, Vim\u00e9o\" width=\"300\" height=\"167\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Screenshot_2019-06-24-Inuit-Throat-Singing-in-Arviat-Dogteam-Puppies--300x167.png 300w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Screenshot_2019-06-24-Inuit-Throat-Singing-in-Arviat-Dogteam-Puppies--260x144.png 260w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Screenshot_2019-06-24-Inuit-Throat-Singing-in-Arviat-Dogteam-Puppies--50x28.png 50w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Screenshot_2019-06-24-Inuit-Throat-Singing-in-Arviat-Dogteam-Puppies--135x75.png 135w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Screenshot_2019-06-24-Inuit-Throat-Singing-in-Arviat-Dogteam-Puppies-.png 765w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><p id=\"caption-attachment-6800\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Inuit Throat Singing in Arviat &#8211; Dogteam Puppies. Screenshot, Vim\u00e9o<\/p><\/div>\n<p>L.A-A. : They do it through practices and rites that seek to eliminate conflicts rather than to condemn on the basis of evidence and arguments. For example, if the member of an Inuit tribe is accused of violating a member of another tribe, the two tribes organize a singing duel. They start by taking turns chanting in their own way. Over time, their chants mix. When they reach unison, the conflict is resolved. This is an irrational approach that is far removed from the law. The Cheyenne similarly regulate the worst infraction to their customs: when one of their members refuses to fulfill his role during the hunt. The sanction applied \u2013 the harshest of all \u2013 is a two-month ban. However, the sanction may be lifted if the offender\u2019s family organizes a party and invites the whole tribe to it.<\/p>\n<h4>Yet you say that the Indians have developed their own law\u2026<\/h4>\n<div id=\"attachment_6802\" style=\"width: 230px\" class=\"wp-caption alignleft\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-6802\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-6802 size-full\" title=\"Vine Deloria, Jr. (1933 \u2013 2005), Native American author, theologian, historian, and activist. Cr\u00e9dits : Fair use\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Vine_Deloria.jpg\" alt=\"Vine Deloria, Jr. (March 26, 1933 \u2013 November 13, 2005), Native American author, theologian, historian, and activist. Cr\u00e9dits : Fair use\" width=\"220\" height=\"220\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Vine_Deloria.jpg 220w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Vine_Deloria-150x150.jpg 150w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Vine_Deloria-146x146.jpg 146w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Vine_Deloria-50x50.jpg 50w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Vine_Deloria-75x75.jpg 75w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Vine_Deloria-85x85.jpg 85w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Vine_Deloria-80x80.jpg 80w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 220px) 100vw, 220px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-6802\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Vine Deloria, Jr. (1933 \u2013 2005), Native American author, theologian, historian, and activist. Cr\u00e9dits : Fair use<\/p><\/div>\n<p>L.A-A.: Absolutely. And I can tell you that they use it! They have ended up appropriating the law we imposed on them. There are many North American Indian lawyers today. For the current Indian nation, recognition of its specific rights involves harnessing to its benefit a Western law that is blind to the mythological layers of Indian culture. Since the law creates its own legitimacy, it can only be fought from the inside. Vine Deloria Jr., a \u201cnative-American\u201d from the Lakota tribe, paved the way in the 1970s. An activist, writer, theologian, and historian, he ended up teaching the law that he considered as the best way to lead his struggle. Today, indigenous communities use the law for some pretty surprising purposes: for example, they are seeking to collect fees from scientists who study their mores and territories. They are also looking to charge fees on courses about them. In a way, the West is being hoisted with its own petard as the indigenous haggle over what they have left after being deprived of their property.<\/p>\n<h4>What conclusions can we draw from these observations?<\/h4>\n<div id=\"attachment_6805\" style=\"width: 310px\" class=\"wp-caption alignright\"><img aria-describedby=\"caption-attachment-6805\" decoding=\"async\" loading=\"lazy\" class=\"wp-image-6805 size-medium\" title=\"Alcatraz Occupation &quot;Welcome to Indian Land&quot; , 2012. Cr\u00e9dits : Public Domain\" src=\"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Alcatraz_Occupation_Welcome_to_Indian_Land_graffiti-300x170.jpg\" alt=\"Alcatraz Occupation &quot;Welcome to Indian Land&quot; , 2012. Cr\u00e9dits : Public Domain\" width=\"300\" height=\"170\" srcset=\"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Alcatraz_Occupation_Welcome_to_Indian_Land_graffiti-300x170.jpg 300w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Alcatraz_Occupation_Welcome_to_Indian_Land_graffiti-258x146.jpg 258w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Alcatraz_Occupation_Welcome_to_Indian_Land_graffiti-50x28.jpg 50w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Alcatraz_Occupation_Welcome_to_Indian_Land_graffiti-132x75.jpg 132w, https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/research\/cogito\/wp-content\/uploads\/2019\/06\/Alcatraz_Occupation_Welcome_to_Indian_Land_graffiti.jpg 519w\" sizes=\"(max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><p id=\"caption-attachment-6805\" class=\"wp-caption-text\">Alcatraz Occupation &#8220;Welcome to Indian Land&#8221; , 2012. Cr\u00e9dits : Public Domain<\/p><\/div>\n<p>L.A-A.: A legal anthropological approach can help better understand the nature of the law. We can see it emerge by contrast. We can then see how it differs from rules and norms established according to different logics. A key point is that the law is a self-justifying system. It is an implacable force, and this explains its proliferation to all societies, especially with the establishment of universal rights. It is important to recall, for example, that private property in the 1789 Declaration of the Rights of Man and of the Citizen is part of the quartet of natural and inalienable rights. The three others are freedom, safety, and resistance to oppression.<\/p>\n<p style=\"text-align: right;\">Interview by H\u00e9l\u00e8ne Naudet, office of the VP for Research<\/p>\n<pre>CNRS research director in legal science at Sciences Po\u2019s law school, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencespo.fr\/ecole-de-droit\/en\/profile\/assier-andrieu-louis.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Louis Assier-Andrieu<\/a> focuses on the historical anthropology of Western law, the cultural theory of law, legal and cultural norms, and \u201ctribe\u201d law, its culture, its history and its evolution. A professor at Sciences Po, he has also taught in many institutions in France (\u00c9cole Nationale de la Magistrature, \u00c9cole des Hautes Etudes en Sciences Sociales) and abroad (Yale, Tulane, Cornell, Bonn, Barcelona\u2026)<\/pre>\n<p><b><div class=\"idea_box\"><div class=\"icon\"><i class=\"icon-lamp\"><\/i><\/div><div class=\"desc\">\u00a0<\/b><b>Selective bibliography <\/b><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Louis Assier-Andrieu, Pr\u00e9sentation, traduction et notes de <a href=\"https:\/\/spire.sciencespo.fr\/notice\/2441\/eu4vqp9ompqllr09h8dbgj401\">&#8220;La voie cheyenne\u202f: conflit et jurisprudence dans la science primitive du droit<\/a>&#8220;, Karl Nickerson Llewellyn et E. Adamson Hoebel, LGDJ-Bruylant, 1999<\/li>\n<li>Louis Assier-Andrieu,\u00a0 &#8220;<a href=\"https:\/\/www.lgdj.fr\/l-autorite-du-passe-9782247114047.html\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">L\u2019autorit\u00e9 du pass\u00e9. Essai anthropologique sur la Common Law&#8221;<\/a>,\u00a0 Dalloz, Les sens du droit, 2011<\/li>\n<li>Louis Assier-Andrieu, &#8220;A Cultural Reluctance to Rights&#8221; in Justine Desautels-Stein et Christopher Tomlins (eds), <a href=\"https:\/\/www.cambridge.org\/core\/books\/searching-for-contemporary-legal-thought\/BEB70A46123ED53AD53F5E3CAB0ACCC8\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">Searching for Contemporary Legal Thought<\/a>, Cambridge University Press, 2017<\/li>\n<li>Louis Assier-Andrieu, &#8220;<a href=\"http:\/\/www.cliothemis.com\/Difficulte-et-necessite-de-l\">Difficult\u00e9 et n\u00e9cessit\u00e9 de l\u2019anthropologie du droit&#8221;<\/a> Clio@Th\u00e9mis, no. 15, 2019<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"https:\/\/spire.sciencespo.fr\/auteur\/2441\/5k7940uimfdf9c8990p8pc61p\">All the publications by Louis Assier-Andrieu<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><b>Useful reference<\/b><\/p>\n<p>Vine Deloria Jr, <i><a href=\"https:\/\/archive.org\/details\/behindtrailofbro00delo\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">&#8220;Behind the Trail of Broken Treaties: An Indian Declaration of Independence&#8221;<\/a><\/i>, Dell Publishing Co., 1974<\/p>\n<p><b><\/div><\/div>\n<\/b><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Louis Assier-Andrieu took his first steps in research alongside Claude L\u00e9vi-Strauss. 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